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Utahman Growing old on the VS (67.2.197.210) on 4/26/2016 - 10:02 p.m. says: ( 532 views , 9 likes )

"Without US intervention Gaddafi is still in power. And there is a pretty"

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BBG, here's why I think it's wrong to blame Obama for ISIS

More a function of the failed Arab Spring than anything Obama did. See also the comments about Libya:

I think what happened there was perhaps inevitable just because I’m skeptical that a different American policy or a different Western policy would have had that much effect. Obama has taken the position that if there had been no NATO intervention, [Muammar] Qaddafi might have crushed Benghazi itself but that the rebels eventually would have continued, and would have found some way to restore their weapons and forces, and you would have eventually ended up with a Syria-type scenario. That seems very plausible to me.

If you look at one “what if’ in Libya that seems most plausible to me, it is that we could have done more to stabilize the country after the NATO intervention, but there again I’m not at all convinced that that would have made a difference. Libya is a tragedy, but I think it’s a Libyan tragedy, not an American one. There were a few Libyan voices at the end of 2011 who were saying, “This is the moment. This is our one chance to disarm these guys. We may have to kill some of them, but if we don’t do it now, we’ll never do it.” That didn’t happen because people felt we’d just been through this horrible civil war and now we have to just chill out for a while and so they lost their chance. You’ve got to remember that Christopher Stevens knew as much about Libya or more than any American at that time. He was for a light footprint. As far as I know he did not want the Americans to come in there and build up a new army and play a big heavy-handed role. He knew Libya, and he didn’t want that.

I think Slate has the best most understandable foreign policy coverage anywhere. Fred Kaplan has a good article on some of the counter-terrorism stuff they are doing to battle ISIS. I understand it feels like a disaster, but progress takes a long time in that part of the world.

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good chance Mubarak is still in power. And lets not even talk about arming and supporting groups in Syria many of which have joined Isis.

You can't be as major of a player in the Arab Spring as the administration was, and then when things go south, shun all responsibility.

Like virtually every administration that preceded his, Obama's administration meddled in other countries affairs. And like previous meddling, it has backfired, but on a whole other level of bad.

 

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