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Wayne Doubletree Resident (138.26.199.131) on 6/23/2016 - 12:35 p.m. says: ( 209 views , 7 likes )

"You mean like shooting a black kid 16 times?"

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What is due process...

explain to me your understanding of the concept and how it works...because I keep reading here about how these laws violate due process...but I see more aggressive deprivations approved as Constitutional on the regular. So I'm a bit puzzled why process is more due when applied to guns, as opposed to other fundamental rights or liberty restrictions.

I'll hang up and listen.==============================

Is that a due process violation?  Should I not have done that?  

Or perhaps you mean the state-sanctioned taking people's money and property at gunpoint at the side of the road like a highwayman?  Should the police not do that?  Is that wrong?

Or perhaps you mean kicking boys (and now a girl) out of college without being able to address their accuser or otherwise mount a defense?

Or perhaps you mean listening to our phone conversations without a warrant?  Our email?

Or perhaps you mean not letting felons who have served the time the state said they should serve being able to vote?  Drive?  Live in a house?  Get a job?  

Or perhaps you mean 3 strike laws that put drug felons away for 50 years while real criminals get much lighter sentences and Wallstreet connected criminals get none?

There is much process due . . . and you are right that we need to stop the #badword#ing selectivity about who deserves it. 

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