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Wayne Doubletree Resident (138.26.199.131) on 6/24/2016 - 4:16 p.m. says: ( 219 views , 18 likes , 2 Disagree )

"Let me see if I understand you . . . "

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What worries me most about society today...

whether here, England, or the anywhere else...is the growing trend of prioritizing abstract ideas over common sense or self preservation.

We've discussed this with the Second Amendment for more than a week now, how some (not all, probably not even most) prefer to sanctify a right and fight against hypothetical infringements (they are going to come for our guns!!!) rather than seriously discuss additional regulatory measures that could make our society safer.

We also regularly discuss the threat of suicide bombers and terrorists in general. How these people (using the word loosely) are willing to sacrifice themselves for ideals that aren't attainable, even in the most restrictive of Islamic societies.

And now we have Brexit. The English have committed economic suicide in the name of nationalism, a concept that is as abstract as any. Well, the idea is that that they are leaving the EU because of this ideal, but we don't have to dig too deep to see the ugly underbelly of this cause (racism, xenophobia, economic protectionism). The UK has LITERALLY cut off its economy to spite its face.

While most of the world looks on in horror, some in the US celebrate the move based on...ideology.

Today, what value does "nationalism" bring to the pound? When thousands upon thousands lose their jobs as a result of this move, how will their English pride put food on the table?

Those of you who look at this from an economic angle and are of the opinion, which is contrary to most economists, that leaving the EU is the best thing to do...fine.

But my concerns are instead directed at those who ground their views in notions of nationalism, autonomy, self-sovereignty...whateves.

The idea of self-inflicted wounds for the sake of abstract ideals...to me...is a form of economic terrorism that I do not respect. That type of mentality is not much different from that of the suicide bomber, someone willing to cause tremendous harm for the sake of a concept.

What ever happened to common sense? Picking and choosing our battles? Playing it safe? Being GOAL ORIENTED? We (society) are trading in pragmatic reason for ideology and that scares the hell out of me.

Today, some in the UK won a big battle. But in doing so, they have crippled their nation economically. So please forgive me for not celebrating this along with you.

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You're claiming a political entity that has existed since some time shortly after the Romans left . . . that summoned its first elected parliament in 1265 . . . that gave the world Magna Carta, functional parliament, displaced kings and transitioned to full democracy . . . that has managed Scotland, Wales, NE . . . that previously controlled an empire on which the sun never set . . . that spun off the greatest democracy ever, that spun off another in the southern hemisphere . . .  that helped win 2 world wars . . . 

you're saying that this entity after having joined a loose political confederation for 40 years . . . is now incapable of governing itself  and can only prosper under the yoke of Brussels?

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"The authority of government, even such as I am willing to submit to — for I will cheerfully obey those who know and can do better than I, and in many things even those who neither know nor can do so well — is still an impure one: to be strictly just, it must have the sanction and consent of the governed. It can have no pure right over my person and property but what I concede to it. The progress from an absolute to a limited monarchy, from a limited monarchy to a democracy, is a progress toward a true respect for the individual. Even the Chinese philosopher was wise enough to regard the individual as the basis of the empire. Is a democracy, such as we know it, the last improvement possible in government? Is it not possible to take a step further towards recognizing and organizing the rights of man? There will never be a really free and enlightened State until the State comes to recognize the individual as a higher and independent power, from which all its own power and authority are derived, and treats him accordingly. I please myself with imagining a State at least which can afford to be just to all men, and to treat the individual with respect as a neighbor; which even would not think it inconsistent with its own repose if a few were to live aloof from it, not meddling with it, nor embraced by it, who fulfilled all the duties of neighbors and fellow-men. A State which bore this kind of fruit, and suffered it to drop off as fast as it ripened, would prepare the way for a still more perfect and glorious State, which also I have imagined, but not yet anywhere seen."



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