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"The same laughable PC Revisionist dogma. He beat the crap out of a succession of union generals" |
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Message Replied To ========== The truth about Confederate Gen. Robert E. Lee: He wasn’t very good at his job ![]() ============================== who had armies often approaching twice the size of his, whose armies were better armed and vastly better supplied. In case anybody wants to tout Grant aka "the fumbling butcher" as his own troops named him....Lee inflicted more casualties on Grants' army in the first 6 months of Grant's command than Lee even had in his own army. Oh and slavery was starting to die out in the Upper South by 1860 contrary to what Rosenwald claims. To wit: the percentage of Southern whites who belonged to slaveholding families dropped by 5 percent from 1850-1860 (Robert Divine, T. H. Bren, George Fredrickson, and R. Hal Williams, America Past and Present, Fifth Edition, New York: Longman, 1999, p. 389). Nevins noted that "slavery was dying all around the edges of its domain" (The Emergence of Lincoln, Volume 2, p. 469). Maryland went from 33% to 12% slaves between 1790 and 1860. The issue wasn't so much states rights as it was the tariff and the grossly unequal federal govt expenditures about 80% of which were lavished on the Northern states despite the fact that the South paid between 2/3rds and 3/4s of all the tax revenue via the tariff. "What were the causes of the Southern independence movement in 1860? . . . Northern commercial and manufacturing interests had forced through Congress taxes that oppressed Southern planters and made Northern manufacturers rich . . . the South paid about three-quarters of all federal taxes, most of which were spent in the North." - Charles Adams, "For Good and Evil. The impact of taxes on the course of civilization," 1993, Madison Books, Lanham, USA, pp. 325-327 There is Much much MUCH more on this. Northern newspapers? Northern politicians? Southern Newspapers? Southern politicians? Foreign observers? Just ask. I have extensive quotes and sources saved I can provide you with anytime lest you have any doubts. Next we move on to Rosenwald's laughable claim that the North just got on with things and somehow this one time in history, the winning side did not spew their propaganda. LOL! You really expect anybody to believe this laughable nonsense? Get real dude. Then Rosenwald swings back to complaints about Lee's strategy and tactics. He adopted an offensive strategy specifically to take pressure off of Virginia to alleviate his supply difficulties. No mention is made of that. As for his tactics, it is true that he did not appreciate at first that the rifled barrel made frontal assaults against entrenched enemies ie the standard Napoleonic tactics everybody was trained to use, suicidal by the time of the War for Southern Independence. Of course, nobody else learned that either. Grant was making the exact same mistakes in 1865 and losing vast hordes of men for doing so. Cold Harbor was a catastrophic defeat for him......he just had more cannon fodder to throw into the meat grinder. The real myths here are the myth of the virtuous North (New England had been the hub of the slave trade industry for the entire western hemisphere in the 19th century) The first "black codes" were passed in the Northern states. The North was equally only too happy to profit very handsomely from servicing goods produced at least in part from slave labor. Next is the myth that the North fought a war "to make men free". They did no such thing. They could not have been more clear that that was not their aim. They were fighting to prevent their cash cow - ie the Southern states from leaving instead of being ever more ruthlessly exploited by discriminatory sectional economic legislation which directly benefitted Northern industrialists. and of course the ultimate, the myth of "Father Abraham" who was some kindhearted angelic figure. The REAL Lincoln was of course a flaming racist, an economic ignoramus and a tyrant who trampled on civil liberties in the name of prosecuting a war for money that he started. People - especially PC Revisionists - still get quite emotional when their myths are exploded. |
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-- Starred by: Orange and Brew Thunder Big Ed Charleston Joe6pak J-VILLE GATOR -- “Every man should endeavor to understand the meaning of subjugation before it is too late… It means the history of this heroic struggle will be written by the enemy; that our youth will be trained by Northern schoolteachers; will learn from Northern school books their version of the war; will be impressed by the influences of history and education to regard our gallant dead as traitors, and our maimed veterans as fit objects for derision… It is said slavery is all we are fighting for, and if we give it up we give up all. Even if this were true, which we deny, slavery is not all our enemies are fighting for. It is merely the pretense to establish sectional superiority and a more centralized form of government, and to deprive us of our rights and liberties.” Maj. General Patrick R. Cleburne, CSA, January 1864 "I yet believe that the maintenance of the rights and authority reserved to the states and to the people, not only essential to the adjustment and balance of the general system, but the safeguard to the continuance of a free government. I consider it as the chief source of stability to our political system, whereas the consolidation of the states into one vast republic, sure to be aggressive abroad and despotic at home, will be the certain precursor of that ruin which has overwhelmed all those that have preceded it." Robert E. Lee
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