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Wayne Doubletree Resident (138.26.199.131) on 10/2/2017 - 10:53 a.m. says: ( 240 views , 8 likes )

"Can you point to a better one? "

Edited by Author at 10/2/2017 - 11:39 a.m.

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Yeah that document written by a bunch of guys who thought slavery was OK and didn't believe women

had the right to vote. It should definitely be treated as the gospel as they were all knowing and righteous. Right.

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Should everything that "thought slavery was ok" be broken? The whole of the western world thought (if we allow your version of "thought") that when this document was written. Only Vermont (1777) abolished slavery before the Constitution was written. The first European country did not until 1803 and they followed variously after that.

The first country to let women vote was New Zealand in 1893, they could not stand for election.

I will not accept the judgement of the Constitution or the men of that time in the vacuum of today's morality and conscience . . . especially when its disregard is the outcome.

And then there is the blatant disregard of the actual thoughts of the men that wrote . . . who did not all "think slavery was ok".

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"The authority of government, even such as I am willing to submit to — for I will cheerfully obey those who know and can do better than I, and in many things even those who neither know nor can do so well — is still an impure one: to be strictly just, it must have the sanction and consent of the governed. It can have no pure right over my person and property but what I concede to it. The progress from an absolute to a limited monarchy, from a limited monarchy to a democracy, is a progress toward a true respect for the individual. Even the Chinese philosopher was wise enough to regard the individual as the basis of the empire. Is a democracy, such as we know it, the last improvement possible in government? Is it not possible to take a step further towards recognizing and organizing the rights of man? There will never be a really free and enlightened State until the State comes to recognize the individual as a higher and independent power, from which all its own power and authority are derived, and treats him accordingly. I please myself with imagining a State at least which can afford to be just to all men, and to treat the individual with respect as a neighbor; which even would not think it inconsistent with its own repose if a few were to live aloof from it, not meddling with it, nor embraced by it, who fulfilled all the duties of neighbors and fellow-men. A State which bore this kind of fruit, and suffered it to drop off as fast as it ripened, would prepare the way for a still more perfect and glorious State, which also I have imagined, but not yet anywhere seen."

Can you point to a better one? Wayne 10/2/2017 - 10:53 a.m.


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