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Wayne Doubletree Resident (138.26.199.131) on 1/12/2018 - 2:02 p.m. says: ( 145 views , 8 likes )

"Totally wrong . . . "

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Some here don't like mirrors

if people here think Trump is not what many of us claim, then defend him. Tell us why we are wrong.

On the other hand, if this is all about not liking being lumped in with Trump, then stand against him. 

But people don't get to support Trump and escape accountability for doing so. What I hear here is GOP voters who want to continue to vote GOP and support Trump and his Congress without having to wear the responsibility for doing so. 

Sorry Pilot, you don't get to wash your hands at this well. 

Added note... the reactions in this thread reflect a degree of guilt. It's the truth that hurts.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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Standing with Trump means what?  I did not vote for Trump yet it is claimed voting for Johnson was electing Trump.  So it is not as simple as "standing against Trump".  It is the way you stand against Trump . . . it must be with the anti-Trumps in all things, in all degrees.

I want Trump impeached yet pointing out why the government's criminal case is meaningless to that end . . . and that waiting for evidence that is yet to appear before a backbone is had by either side . . . that is portrayed as backing Trump.

And then there is the myriad of policies in which I might agree with Trump in total or part . . . but you better not mention that or you're tainted. 

See this is where you are wrong . . . it's not about backing Trump or not backing Trump . . . it's about agreeing with his detractors in letter and spirit in all things . . . or face the consequences.

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