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HungaryGator Doubletree Resident (71.71.128.113) on 12/7/2018 - 10:03 a.m. says: ( 264 views , 5 likes )

"Hell, we did it"

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Exactly. Want to play in the big game? Play a big boy schedule. Go on the road like St. Blobby and

Potato Ponies did. Earn it. Then you got a legitimate beef.==============================

we played Bama @ Bama, Tennessee @ Tennessee, Auburn @ Auburn, Georgia @ Georgia and others more than they played us on our home field in the early days when we were building up our program.  We did hte same with several other major programs playing there and not getting a return date.  When you're the small frye up and comer, you have to go on the road and cannot expect to be able to command a home and home deal until you build yourself up, build a larger stadium, develop a fanbase, etc.  Its called paying your dues.

ucf doesn't want to do that.  They claim they can't get good OOC opponents.  The truth is that they can't get good OOC opponents on their terms....which means home and home.  Then they want to be given credit as though they did play those tough opponents when they beat a bunch of creampuffs.  No can do.  Pay your dues like everybody else.  Then we can talk.  Until then, you have no legitimate claim.  Back to the kiddie table with  you.

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Beginning in late 1862, James Phelan, Joseph Bradford, and Reuben Davis wrote to Jefferson Davis to express concern that some opponents were claiming the war "was for the defense of the institution of slavery" (Cooper, Jefferson Davis, American, pp. 479-480, 765). They called those who were making this claim "demagogues." Cooper notes that when two Northerners visited Jefferson Davis during the war, Davis insisted "the Confederates were not battling for slavery" and that "slavery had never been the key issue" (Jefferson Davis, American, p. 524).

Precious few textbooks mention the fact that by 1864 key Confederate leaders, including Jefferson Davis, were prepared to abolish slavery. As early as 1862 some Confederate leaders supported various forms of emancipation. In 1864 Jefferson Davis officially recommended that slaves who performed faithful service in non-combat positions in the Confederate army should be freed.  Robert E. Lee and many other Confederate generals favored emancipating slaves who served in the Confederate army.  In fact, Lee had long favored the abolition of slavery and had called the institution a "moral and political evil" years before the war (Recollections and Letters of Robert E. Lee, New York: Barnes and Noble Books, 2003, reprint, pp. 231-232). By late 1864, Davis was prepared to abolish slavery in order to gain European diplomatic recognition and thus save the Confederacy.  Duncan Kenner, one of the biggest slaveholders in the South and the chairman of the Ways and Means Committee of the Confederate House of Representatives, strongly supported this proposal. So did the Confederate Secretary of State, Judah Benjamin. Davis informed congressional leaders of his intentions, and then sent Kenner to Europe to make the proposal.  Davis even made Kenner a minister plenipotentiary so as to ensure he could make the proposal to the British and French governments and that it would be taken seriously.



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